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Message 15675 - Posted: 22 Jan 2025, 16:05:25 UTC
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BOINC-проекту ODLK2025 отказано во внесении его в официальный список активных BOINC-проектов.

Чтобы всем всё было понятно, я публикую без купюр переписку с Давидом Андерсон по этому вопросу.

Письмо первое - моё.

Hello dear David!

Please add a new BOINC project to the list of active BOINC projects
https://boinc.mak.termit.me/odlk2025/

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Natalia Makarova
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Message 15676 - Posted: 22 Jan 2025, 16:09:26 UTC

В перерыве между письмами почитайте тему
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=15423

Ну очень интересная тема! :)

Есть такой сайт "Я плакал...".
Так вот, эта тема туда.

Я не просто плачу, я рыдаю :))
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Message 15677 - Posted: 22 Jan 2025, 16:16:55 UTC
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Ответ Давида на моё первое письмо

Natalia:
That web site has little information.
Please address the four questions at the top of:
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php

Also, t according to the information I have,
the symmetric tuple with the size of 19 was already found and published here:
https://dxdy.ru/topic100750-810.html

-- David

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Поразительная осведомлённость!
Я чуть с кресла не упала, прочитав это :)

Оказывается, Давид интересуется кортежами и следит за развитием событий в этой проблеме.
Браво!

Да, ну так вот значит, если 19-ка с минимальным диаметром найдена, то и делать больше в BOINC-проекте нечего, следовательно, его уже надо закрывать, а не вносить в официальный список активных BOINC-проектов.

Такая логика Давида?

Ну, а мне предстояло ответить на четыре вопроса.
Что я и сделала в следующем (точнее: в третьем) письме.
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Message 15678 - Posted: 22 Jan 2025, 16:30:00 UTC

Моё второе письмо

Hello dear David!

Okay, I'll look at these questions.

>Also, t according to the information I have,
the symmetric tuple with the size of 19 was already found and published here:
https://dxdy.ru/topic100750-810.html


Firstly, this is only one of the subtasks of the project.
Secondly, the minimality of this solution has not yet been confirmed.
See
https://oeis.org/A266512

See also the description of the BOINC project ODLK2025
https://boinc.mak.termit.me/odlk2025/forum_thread.php?id=3&postid=5

We are planning to search for a symmetric 21-tuplet next.

Best regards,
Natalia

Ответы на четыре вопроса будут в следующем письме.
Тут мне пришлось подумать над ответами.
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Message 15679 - Posted: 22 Jan 2025, 16:51:42 UTC

Третье моё письмо

Dear David!

I answered four questions.

1. Does the project clearly describe its goals? Are these goals important and useful?
See the project description here
https://boinc.mak.termit.me/odlk2025/forum_thread.php?id=3&postid=5

This is a scientific mathematical project that has been running for over 10 years.
I am the author of this project.

2. Has the project published results in peer-reviewed journals or conferences?

The results of my project "Symmetric tuples of consecutive primes" are published in OEIS and on forums.

3. Do you trust the project to use proper security practices?

Yes.

4. Who owns the results of the calculations? Will they be freely available? Will they belong to the company?

The calculation results are available to everyone; they are in the public domain.
https://boinc.mak.termit.me:5000/

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Natalia
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Message 15680 - Posted: 22 Jan 2025, 16:53:22 UTC
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Пофантазируйте, господа, что же ответил Давид на эти два письма.

А ответил он вот что

Natalia:
The project's web site doesn't have sufficient explanations of the goals
(on the front page, or in about.php).
It's also not clear to me whether the goals have already been achieved
by others.

The security question means that I must be convinced that the project
follows recommended security practices (Linux, network, BOINC).

I'd prefer not to have several overlapping BOINC projects.
I suggest that you work with an existing BOINC project to do what you want;
a BOINC project can host many different applications.

-- David

И это всё!

Моё последнее письмо в следующем посте.
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Message 15681 - Posted: 22 Jan 2025, 17:25:48 UTC
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Моё последнее письмо (четвёртое)

Hello dear David!

>The project's web site doesn't have sufficient explanations of the goals
(on the front page, or in about.php).


I gave you a link to the project description, I repeat
https://boinc.mak.termit.me/odlk2025/forum_thread.php?id=3&postid=5

The administrator has not yet managed to move the description to about.php.
This is a minor technical issue.

What exactly did you not understand in the project description?

>It's also not clear to me whether the goals have already been achieved
by others.


I gave you an explanation about the 19-tuplet that was recently found by others on the dxdy.ru forum.
Did you misunderstand something in this explanation?

Only one 19-tuplet was found, and the minimality of this tuple has not been established.
We need many 19-tuplets to find the 21- tuplet.
The 21- tuplet has not been found by anyone yet.
The BOINC project ODLK2025 has specific goals and is designed for long-term work.

>The security question means that I must be convinced that the project
follows recommended security practices (Linux, network, BOINC).


I don't understand this question.
I am not a project administrator.
If this is a very important question, I will address it to the project administrator.

>I'd prefer not to have several overlapping BOINC projects.
I suggest that you work with an existing BOINC project to do what you want;
a BOINC project can host many different applications.


This is a very strange statement.
The ODLK2025 BOINC project does not intersect with any BOINC projects!

I know that a BOINC project can contain several Appendices.
I offered to launch a second Appendices in the SPT BOINC project, but they refused.
I do not know how to launch a new Appendices myself.
If I knew how, I would launch it, since I am the administrator of the SPT BOINC project.

Where else should I try to launch a second Appendices?

All your questions (some of them repeated) clearly mean that you are creating an obstacle to the development of the ODLK2025 BOINC project.
This is amazing and has no reasonable explanation!

Best regards,
Natalia

Ответ на это письмо я не получила.

Затем я открыла тему
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=15423
думая, что там могу получить от Давида вразумительный ответ о причине отказа.
Но... увы!

В теме началось обсуждение не BOINC-проекта ODLK2025 (ибо никаких серьёзных претензий к проекту нет кроме как - описание проекта не там расположено, надо, мол, на главной странице), а моей персоны.
И это обсуждение там всё ещё продолжается!
Я в обсуждении собственной персоны участвовать категорически не желаю! :))

Давид не снизошёл до ответа на мой вопрос.
А что отвечать-то?
Ежу понятно, что тут просто нежелание вносить проект в список, которое маскируется необоснованными претензиями.

И для директора BOINC такое нежелание более чем странно!
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